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		<title>By: Kyoudai + OGT vs. Strike Witches 2 ep. 2: Entrails &#171; Super Fanicom BS-X</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-8271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyoudai + OGT vs. Strike Witches 2 ep. 2: Entrails &#171; Super Fanicom BS-X]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have to worry about surprises in the plot, you can just look at underwear. You can use your moe deconstructive tactics or [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Before Cowboy Bebop: hipster inexperience and the social stuff &#171; Super Fanicom BS-X</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-3173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Before Cowboy Bebop: hipster inexperience and the social stuff &#171; Super Fanicom BS-X]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hiroki Azuma points out that this is a reactionary bunch. They distance themselves from their fellow citizens, who appropriate and enjoy western culture, by positing themselves as especially Japanese. Azuma problematizes this (&#8220;Between the otaku and Japan,&#8221; he writes, &#8220;lies the United States&#8221;), but it doesn&#8217;t matter much with regard to Author-san whether it&#8217;s problematic or not. Author-san happens to like jazz and film noir. S/he also happens to like cartoons &#8212; happens to like them so much that s/he has made a career in the industry that produces them. But, just as some friends of mine would laugh at me for extolling Aria as a grand human achievement, some of Author-san&#8217;s friends simply cannot understand why western imports speak to him/her as they do. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hiroki Azuma points out that this is a reactionary bunch. They distance themselves from their fellow citizens, who appropriate and enjoy western culture, by positing themselves as especially Japanese. Azuma problematizes this (&#8220;Between the otaku and Japan,&#8221; he writes, &#8220;lies the United States&#8221;), but it doesn&#8217;t matter much with regard to Author-san whether it&#8217;s problematic or not. Author-san happens to like jazz and film noir. S/he also happens to like cartoons &#8212; happens to like them so much that s/he has made a career in the industry that produces them. But, just as some friends of mine would laugh at me for extolling Aria as a grand human achievement, some of Author-san&#8217;s friends simply cannot understand why western imports speak to him/her as they do. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: THE iDOLM@STER &#124; Nahel Argama</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[THE iDOLM@STER &#124; Nahel Argama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] vale aqui a crítica do Super Famicom [tradução via @alex_lancaster] de que temos &#8220;uma verdadeira destilação total da narrativa [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] vale aqui a crítica do Super Famicom [tradução via @alex_lancaster] de que temos &#8220;uma verdadeira destilação total da narrativa [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Ookami-san and the Curious Ironies of Modern Moe &#124; We Remember Love</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1456</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ookami-san and the Curious Ironies of Modern Moe &#124; We Remember Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] If you&#8217;re interested in all this crazy moe business, Hiroki Azuma&#8217;s Otaku is the place to start; check out Cuchlann&#8217;s commentary and mine. [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;re interested in all this crazy moe business, Hiroki Azuma&#8217;s Otaku is the place to start; check out Cuchlann&#8217;s commentary and mine. [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1455</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what I&#039;m thinking, at least, that allusions work in a way similar (at least) to the database. The narrative functions entirely without them, but an intertextual layer of comparison opens up once they&#039;re perceived. Specific allusions (Vinge in Fifth Head) probably aren&#039;t database, as they&#039;re too specific -- you need to know an author, not a whole pattern and system of habits. Old Earth stories in New Sun, though, aren&#039;t as specific, with lots of takes on the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m thinking, at least, that allusions work in a way similar (at least) to the database. The narrative functions entirely without them, but an intertextual layer of comparison opens up once they&#8217;re perceived. Specific allusions (Vinge in Fifth Head) probably aren&#8217;t database, as they&#8217;re too specific &#8212; you need to know an author, not a whole pattern and system of habits. Old Earth stories in New Sun, though, aren&#8217;t as specific, with lots of takes on the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: gwern</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1454</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, I see. I&#039;ve never read much Borski (I prefer Peter Wright), and he has something of a reputation on urth.net (which he used to participate in) for finding peculiar interpretations and taking them way too far. I can see how Borski would play into the database interpretation, and upon reflection, Wolfe&#039;s constant use of allusions, onomastics and other symbolic games do seem fairly database-like in their own right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see. I&#8217;ve never read much Borski (I prefer Peter Wright), and he has something of a reputation on urth.net (which he used to participate in) for finding peculiar interpretations and taking them way too far. I can see how Borski would play into the database interpretation, and upon reflection, Wolfe&#8217;s constant use of allusions, onomastics and other symbolic games do seem fairly database-like in their own right.</p>
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		<title>By: cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cuchlann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 01:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;m referring specifically to _The Long and the Short of It_, Borski&#039;s collection of essays on Wolfe&#039;s work. They strike me as at least a little database-oriented, spending time cataloging things of note in Wolfe&#039;s work and suggesting meanings, but never dwelling on meaning-making to any extent (with the exception of something like the Latro essay, wherein he compiles things that match a certain database -- werewolf fiction and legend). 

But I can see other ways it applies. Wolfe has said some of what he wanted to do was create an SF war story -- in one interview, at least, he claimed the whole of Book of the New Sun started as a way to get Severian into the war in the north. So it has certain database elements of war fiction, especially SF war fiction -- the estrangement induced by war exaggerated by unreal fighting techniques. Add to that the database-scanning required to see the science behind the fantasy (which is how I see the way that works, and I should probably write about that soon), which is how we realize some people aren&#039;t human and some are time travelers, even though those concepts don&#039;t exist to Severian in those forms; we slot them into SF databases without the book doing the work for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m referring specifically to _The Long and the Short of It_, Borski&#8217;s collection of essays on Wolfe&#8217;s work. They strike me as at least a little database-oriented, spending time cataloging things of note in Wolfe&#8217;s work and suggesting meanings, but never dwelling on meaning-making to any extent (with the exception of something like the Latro essay, wherein he compiles things that match a certain database &#8212; werewolf fiction and legend). </p>
<p>But I can see other ways it applies. Wolfe has said some of what he wanted to do was create an SF war story &#8212; in one interview, at least, he claimed the whole of Book of the New Sun started as a way to get Severian into the war in the north. So it has certain database elements of war fiction, especially SF war fiction &#8212; the estrangement induced by war exaggerated by unreal fighting techniques. Add to that the database-scanning required to see the science behind the fantasy (which is how I see the way that works, and I should probably write about that soon), which is how we realize some people aren&#8217;t human and some are time travelers, even though those concepts don&#8217;t exist to Severian in those forms; we slot them into SF databases without the book doing the work for us.</p>
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		<title>By: gwern</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1452</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 00:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Offhand, I can&#039;t really seem to apply Azuma&#039;s database to Gene Wolfe scholarship - though I&#039;m very interested in the latter. Any chance you could elaborate on that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offhand, I can&#8217;t really seem to apply Azuma&#8217;s database to Gene Wolfe scholarship &#8211; though I&#8217;m very interested in the latter. Any chance you could elaborate on that?</p>
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		<title>By: You and your fandoms are constructs (and that&#8217;s okay!) &#171; Pontifus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[You and your fandoms are constructs (and that&#8217;s okay!) &#171; Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a certain kind of fan. They&#8217;re catering to another kind of fan, a kind of fan regarding which Hiroki Azuma has much to say &#8212; and this fandom is as precedented by historical development as Kaioshin&#8217;s brand of [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a certain kind of fan. They&#8217;re catering to another kind of fan, a kind of fan regarding which Hiroki Azuma has much to say &#8212; and this fandom is as precedented by historical development as Kaioshin&#8217;s brand of [...] </p>
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		<title>By: cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1450</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s certainly what got me into anime in the first place, though I cited the simpler &quot;there&#039;s more fantasy and SF in it than US tv.&quot;  I suspect it&#039;s also a reason I enjoy shows like Hidamari Sketch but can&#039;t stand American &quot;literary&quot; slice of life.  

Some western stuff evokes this too, certainly -- Neil Gaiman for one is probably well-loved because he provides a sense that the world has more underneath it.  Lovecraft, too, in the horror vein, implies our world sits over another.  But I think there might be something to the assertion that much of Japanese pop culture, and not just certain genres/authors in it, dwells on that idea.  Even superflat, to some extent, implies more available than we can see.

Maybe it&#039;s an outgrowth of an historically-pantheist Shintoism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s certainly what got me into anime in the first place, though I cited the simpler &#8220;there&#8217;s more fantasy and SF in it than US tv.&#8221;  I suspect it&#8217;s also a reason I enjoy shows like Hidamari Sketch but can&#8217;t stand American &#8220;literary&#8221; slice of life.  </p>
<p>Some western stuff evokes this too, certainly &#8212; Neil Gaiman for one is probably well-loved because he provides a sense that the world has more underneath it.  Lovecraft, too, in the horror vein, implies our world sits over another.  But I think there might be something to the assertion that much of Japanese pop culture, and not just certain genres/authors in it, dwells on that idea.  Even superflat, to some extent, implies more available than we can see.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s an outgrowth of an historically-pantheist Shintoism?</p>
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		<title>By: OGT</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1449</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think what I was thinking re: why anime has more fantasy/SF, is simply taking the notion that &quot;everyday life is generally bland and dull&quot;, which is a common description of daily life in Japan (so I hear), and then taking the notion of a &quot;nonreality that is more real than reality&quot; and from this we get a stronger preference for anime to use science fiction and fantasy elements.

Most often, I notice anime (and this has generally been true throughout the history of anime and manga) tends to invoke this very strong sense that there is something &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; to the world than what is visible. I&#039;m thinking of things like &lt;I&gt;Fushigi Yuugi, Shakugan no Shana, Zettai Shounen,&lt;/I&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Haruhi&lt;/i&gt; to name a few. Even things that are comparatively more &quot;realistic&quot; or that aren&#039;t in any way set in contemporary times (say, &lt;i&gt;Monster&lt;/i&gt; for the former and &lt;i&gt;Eureka Seven&lt;/i&gt; for the latter) can have that sort of feel, that there is more to the world of the narrative than meets the eyes of the characters/viewers.

Maybe I&#039;m just over-reading things, though. There is a particular style, though (&quot;here&#039;s a world and its norms, and there is &lt;i&gt;something more&lt;/i&gt; out there that isn&#039;t dull and boring&quot;) that I also tend to associate with the &quot;slipstream&quot; mode (slash mood slash genre slash abstract literary environment), which would encompass Haruki Murakami and a number of other authors, but I don&#039;t quite think to the extent that anime/manga might provide this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what I was thinking re: why anime has more fantasy/SF, is simply taking the notion that &#8220;everyday life is generally bland and dull&#8221;, which is a common description of daily life in Japan (so I hear), and then taking the notion of a &#8220;nonreality that is more real than reality&#8221; and from this we get a stronger preference for anime to use science fiction and fantasy elements.</p>
<p>Most often, I notice anime (and this has generally been true throughout the history of anime and manga) tends to invoke this very strong sense that there is something <i>more</i> to the world than what is visible. I&#8217;m thinking of things like <i>Fushigi Yuugi, Shakugan no Shana, Zettai Shounen,</i> and <i>Haruhi</i> to name a few. Even things that are comparatively more &#8220;realistic&#8221; or that aren&#8217;t in any way set in contemporary times (say, <i>Monster</i> for the former and <i>Eureka Seven</i> for the latter) can have that sort of feel, that there is more to the world of the narrative than meets the eyes of the characters/viewers.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just over-reading things, though. There is a particular style, though (&#8220;here&#8217;s a world and its norms, and there is <i>something more</i> out there that isn&#8217;t dull and boring&#8221;) that I also tend to associate with the &#8220;slipstream&#8221; mode (slash mood slash genre slash abstract literary environment), which would encompass Haruki Murakami and a number of other authors, but I don&#8217;t quite think to the extent that anime/manga might provide this.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2010/04/10/otaku-annotated/#comment-1448</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hm. I agree there&#039;d be differences, but I don&#039;t think that changes the fact that fans function as &quot;database animals,&quot; only what some of the elements of the database are.  It seems like the theory&#039;s most important in the way it describes how the database works, rather than what goes in it.  

I&#039;ve even read serious scholarly criticism that&#039;s basically born out of the database -- there&#039;s this guy who writes on Gene Wolfe, and some of his stuff is basically just &quot;did you see all these things that are alike?  They combine to make [X].&quot;  He&#039;s really good, but traditional scholars look at him walleyed sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. I agree there&#8217;d be differences, but I don&#8217;t think that changes the fact that fans function as &#8220;database animals,&#8221; only what some of the elements of the database are.  It seems like the theory&#8217;s most important in the way it describes how the database works, rather than what goes in it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve even read serious scholarly criticism that&#8217;s basically born out of the database &#8212; there&#8217;s this guy who writes on Gene Wolfe, and some of his stuff is basically just &#8220;did you see all these things that are alike?  They combine to make [X].&#8221;  He&#8217;s really good, but traditional scholars look at him walleyed sometimes.</p>
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