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	<title>Comments on: Moment(s) the [nth]: Honorable mentions, part 2</title>
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		<title>By: ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubiquitial]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would They? O.o]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would They? O.o</p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ghostlightning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d think life and death are more concrete than absence and presence. The former are, at least in some capacity, functions of the physical universe; the latter depend in large part on how things are perceived, particularly in the examples Derrida gives. If anything we might run into problems insofar as life and death are less subjective, but it all depends on how we define the terms we&#039;re using.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d think life and death are more concrete than absence and presence. The former are, at least in some capacity, functions of the physical universe; the latter depend in large part on how things are perceived, particularly in the examples Derrida gives. If anything we might run into problems insofar as life and death are less subjective, but it all depends on how we define the terms we&#8217;re using.</p>
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		<title>By: ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubiquitial]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would they?</p>
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		<title>By: ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubiquitial]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 04:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But would this apply even when referring to something as abstract as life and death?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But would this apply even when referring to something as abstract as life and death?</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm...I didn&#039;t bring Of Grammatology home with me for the winter break, but I&#039;ll try to explain a little, assuming I can remember enough.

Derrida attacks the presence/absence binary on the basis of the inadequacy of presence alone. His example in &quot;That Dangerous Supplement&quot; is from Rousseau, who professed in his work two things that Derrida picks out as similar: a fixation on his foster mother and a preference for speech as more true to the speaker&#039;s intentions than writing. In the former case, despite living with his foster mother and seeing her daily, Rousseau still felt the need to undertake rituals, of a sort, to feel close to her -- he&#039;d kiss the ground she walked on, for example. Her physical presence did not diminish the absence of her that Rousseau perceived; in effect, he supplemented presence with absence, and his doing so gave presence perspective. Rousseau couldn&#039;t conceive of one without the other. In the latter case, Rousseau&#039;s stated distrust of writing doesn&#039;t really hold up in his work. He seems to look at speech &lt;i&gt;through&lt;/i&gt; writing, and writing becomes a presence in itself, one that reveals that speech, too, has inadequacies.

The title &quot;That Dangerous Supplement&quot; refers to masturbation, actually. But that part of the chapter is pretty nuanced, and I&#039;d need the book to say much about it.

Basically what I&#039;m saying here is that death, as the absence to life&#039;s presence, supplements life, makes it finite, brackets it within the realm of conception -- and, once life is conceivable, our minds can work with it, can attach meaning to it. Life would still be &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; minus death -- it&#039;d be the supplement to pre-existence, I&#039;d imagine. All this relies on the Saussurean idea that we define things based on their relationships to other things.

Geh, now I want to do a balls-to-the-wall Derrida post. Maybe I will when I get back out to school, and that will make a lot more sense than what I&#039;m pulling out of memory here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;I didn&#8217;t bring Of Grammatology home with me for the winter break, but I&#8217;ll try to explain a little, assuming I can remember enough.</p>
<p>Derrida attacks the presence/absence binary on the basis of the inadequacy of presence alone. His example in &#8220;That Dangerous Supplement&#8221; is from Rousseau, who professed in his work two things that Derrida picks out as similar: a fixation on his foster mother and a preference for speech as more true to the speaker&#8217;s intentions than writing. In the former case, despite living with his foster mother and seeing her daily, Rousseau still felt the need to undertake rituals, of a sort, to feel close to her &#8212; he&#8217;d kiss the ground she walked on, for example. Her physical presence did not diminish the absence of her that Rousseau perceived; in effect, he supplemented presence with absence, and his doing so gave presence perspective. Rousseau couldn&#8217;t conceive of one without the other. In the latter case, Rousseau&#8217;s stated distrust of writing doesn&#8217;t really hold up in his work. He seems to look at speech <i>through</i> writing, and writing becomes a presence in itself, one that reveals that speech, too, has inadequacies.</p>
<p>The title &#8220;That Dangerous Supplement&#8221; refers to masturbation, actually. But that part of the chapter is pretty nuanced, and I&#8217;d need the book to say much about it.</p>
<p>Basically what I&#8217;m saying here is that death, as the absence to life&#8217;s presence, supplements life, makes it finite, brackets it within the realm of conception &#8212; and, once life is conceivable, our minds can work with it, can attach meaning to it. Life would still be <i>something</i> minus death &#8212; it&#8217;d be the supplement to pre-existence, I&#8217;d imagine. All this relies on the Saussurean idea that we define things based on their relationships to other things.</p>
<p>Geh, now I want to do a balls-to-the-wall Derrida post. Maybe I will when I get back out to school, and that will make a lot more sense than what I&#8217;m pulling out of memory here.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, I can see that. The show seems to indicate that Tomoya retains at least some memory of the ordeal, anyway. If everything that was &quot;erased&quot; by the end took place only in Tomoya&#039;s mind, though, I have to wonder why. What did he gain from it all? For one thing, I suppose we could say that he learned what kind of person he might be when faced with hard times, and his being able to rectify that in illusion-space saved his family trouble later on.

My problem, though, is purely one of narrative structure. I&#039;m not hung up on Tomoya&#039;s journey; I&#039;m hung up on the journey of viewing through which the show carried me in a way I found ultimately disagreeable. The caveat here is that I really did enjoy most of the show for what it was; I don&#039;t outright dislike the whole thing because I&#039;m dissatisfied with the ending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I can see that. The show seems to indicate that Tomoya retains at least some memory of the ordeal, anyway. If everything that was &#8220;erased&#8221; by the end took place only in Tomoya&#8217;s mind, though, I have to wonder why. What did he gain from it all? For one thing, I suppose we could say that he learned what kind of person he might be when faced with hard times, and his being able to rectify that in illusion-space saved his family trouble later on.</p>
<p>My problem, though, is purely one of narrative structure. I&#8217;m not hung up on Tomoya&#8217;s journey; I&#8217;m hung up on the journey of viewing through which the show carried me in a way I found ultimately disagreeable. The caveat here is that I really did enjoy most of the show for what it was; I don&#8217;t outright dislike the whole thing because I&#8217;m dissatisfied with the ending.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, you know -- that&#039;s sort of my specialty :p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you know &#8212; that&#8217;s sort of my specialty :p</p>
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		<title>By: ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubiquitial]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aren&#039;t you just looking at it in a roundabout fashion, in order to construct a convenient ending? Occam&#039;s Razor, people!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t you just looking at it in a roundabout fashion, in order to construct a convenient ending? Occam&#8217;s Razor, people!</p>
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		<title>By: Animewriter</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Animewriter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you that the transition from the small human magic that Nagisa &amp; Tomoya had been performing throughout the whole series to the mythic ending is quite jarring. But, at the end of my review of episode 22 I had speculated on the possibility of another theory other than the &quot;big reset&quot; or &quot;the omega point&quot; causing the happy ending. Just consider for a moment that the second Nagisa died Tomoya activated those orbs of lights, and Tomoya&#039;s mind entered a higher state of consciousness, and all the pain and torment from the very moment of Nagisa death to the moment of Ushio&#039;s death only occurred inside his mind. Also, consider the possibility that when Tomoya acknowledged/re-validated his love for Nagisa, even after all the pain and sadness, he was able to fully discharge the magic of the orbs paying back Akio&#039;s and Nagisa&#039;s debt to the city/land, and Nagisa never really died in the &quot;real world&quot; but Tomoya still feels that those &quot;illusionary&quot; five years really occurred to him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that the transition from the small human magic that Nagisa &amp; Tomoya had been performing throughout the whole series to the mythic ending is quite jarring. But, at the end of my review of episode 22 I had speculated on the possibility of another theory other than the &#8220;big reset&#8221; or &#8220;the omega point&#8221; causing the happy ending. Just consider for a moment that the second Nagisa died Tomoya activated those orbs of lights, and Tomoya&#8217;s mind entered a higher state of consciousness, and all the pain and torment from the very moment of Nagisa death to the moment of Ushio&#8217;s death only occurred inside his mind. Also, consider the possibility that when Tomoya acknowledged/re-validated his love for Nagisa, even after all the pain and sadness, he was able to fully discharge the magic of the orbs paying back Akio&#8217;s and Nagisa&#8217;s debt to the city/land, and Nagisa never really died in the &#8220;real world&#8221; but Tomoya still feels that those &#8220;illusionary&#8221; five years really occurred to him.</p>
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		<title>By: ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubiquitial]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I still don&#039;t understand your views very clearly. Care to elaborate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I still don&#8217;t understand your views very clearly. Care to elaborate?</p>
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		<title>By: ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/12/30/moments-the-nth-honorable-mentions-part-2/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubiquitial]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My, that was a really verbose version of my thoughts on the matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My, that was a really verbose version of my thoughts on the matter.</p>
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