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		<title>By: Mapping the Territories of Fanservice (with the Compass of Subjectivity LOL) &#171; We Remember Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mapping the Territories of Fanservice (with the Compass of Subjectivity LOL) &#171; We Remember Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 1 of the Cuchlann Fanservice Series (Cuchlann 2009/11/15) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/11/15/here-are-knockers-indeed-post-1-of-the-cuchlann-fanservice-series/comment-page-1/#comment-7980</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubiquitial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see... does make sense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see&#8230; does make sense</p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostlightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL existential crisis. Nah I&#039;m just coming clean with this issue -- because I think anyone can go into my archives and see all sorts of inconsistency on my part. But yeah, &#039;remembering love&#039; is a concept wholly intertwined with fanservice ^_~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL existential crisis. Nah I&#8217;m just coming clean with this issue &#8212; because I think anyone can go into my archives and see all sorts of inconsistency on my part. But yeah, &#8216;remembering love&#8217; is a concept wholly intertwined with fanservice ^_~</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuchlann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The constructed meanings of the author of the secondary material -- that is, the blogger (in this case).  Formal &quot;reading&quot; is always an exercise in explaining a view for an audience to consider.  The intention of the creator never enters into it, unless the blogger wanted to deal with A) biography -- which has no real connection to the work, or B) criticism the creator made -- perhaps an essay on what SF means, in which case it&#039;s another text to be &quot;read&quot; in the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The constructed meanings of the author of the secondary material &#8212; that is, the blogger (in this case).  Formal &#8220;reading&#8221; is always an exercise in explaining a view for an audience to consider.  The intention of the creator never enters into it, unless the blogger wanted to deal with A) biography &#8212; which has no real connection to the work, or B) criticism the creator made &#8212; perhaps an essay on what SF means, in which case it&#8217;s another text to be &#8220;read&#8221; in the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubiquitial</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/11/15/here-are-knockers-indeed-post-1-of-the-cuchlann-fanservice-series/comment-page-1/#comment-7953</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubiquitial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Reading&quot; what? The perceived meanings of a work, or the intentions of the creator?


Glad this blog is back. At least for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reading&#8221; what? The perceived meanings of a work, or the intentions of the creator?</p>
<p>Glad this blog is back. At least for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuchlann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s not actually any such thing as looking too deep into a text of any sort.  That&#039;s a pejorative term for what&#039;s more commonly known as &quot;reading.&quot;  

And the blog&#039;s never been dead.  Just sleeping.  We&#039;re all busy with school work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s not actually any such thing as looking too deep into a text of any sort.  That&#8217;s a pejorative term for what&#8217;s more commonly known as &#8220;reading.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And the blog&#8217;s never been dead.  Just sleeping.  We&#8217;re all busy with school work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubiquitial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubiquitial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I thought this blog was long dead by now. 

I think the mentality is that &quot;sex sells, but it&#039;s not the only thing that sells&quot;. As I see it, fanservice, in a more serious show, is a device which keeps the &quot;less-than-intellectual&quot;, to put it tactfully, portion of the audience engaged.  Or perhaps to prod already devoted fans into buying character merchandise. Erotic Images can provoke even the best and brightest (Einstein was a bit of a playboy, from what I&#039;ve heard). 

To sum it up, fanservice is an effective, albeit overused, tool to get the attention of viewers. However, I wouldn&#039;t recommend looking too deep into it. Westerners tend to do that sometimes. A service scene is just a service scene, after all. And Gundam was made to sell toys. And Eva was a depressed man&#039;s ramblings.  

But this is C/BotS... It&#039;s probably deeper than most other animes. 

that said, 

Lafiel FTW~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I thought this blog was long dead by now. </p>
<p>I think the mentality is that &#8220;sex sells, but it&#8217;s not the only thing that sells&#8221;. As I see it, fanservice, in a more serious show, is a device which keeps the &#8220;less-than-intellectual&#8221;, to put it tactfully, portion of the audience engaged.  Or perhaps to prod already devoted fans into buying character merchandise. Erotic Images can provoke even the best and brightest (Einstein was a bit of a playboy, from what I&#8217;ve heard). </p>
<p>To sum it up, fanservice is an effective, albeit overused, tool to get the attention of viewers. However, I wouldn&#8217;t recommend looking too deep into it. Westerners tend to do that sometimes. A service scene is just a service scene, after all. And Gundam was made to sell toys. And Eva was a depressed man&#8217;s ramblings.  </p>
<p>But this is C/BotS&#8230; It&#8217;s probably deeper than most other animes. </p>
<p>that said, </p>
<p>Lafiel FTW~</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuchlann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ghostlightning:  Did you just have an existential crisis all over the comment section?  : D  I definitely think you&#039;re right in saying fanservice can be things other than T&amp;A.

@kadian1364:  Yeah, it&#039;s a great scene;  I didn&#039;t mean to mischaracterize you in that way, sorry.  That conversation is just one of the things that led to me writing the post.  I definitely think . . . of the Stars is very smart, but in the other parts I mean to write I&#039;m going to tackle some other shows that use fanservice as well (though probably still just as &quot;smart&quot;).  I guess the idea is to point out that it&#039;s a technique, rather than something that automatically disqualifies a show from serious concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ghostlightning:  Did you just have an existential crisis all over the comment section?  : D  I definitely think you&#8217;re right in saying fanservice can be things other than T&amp;A.</p>
<p>@kadian1364:  Yeah, it&#8217;s a great scene;  I didn&#8217;t mean to mischaracterize you in that way, sorry.  That conversation is just one of the things that led to me writing the post.  I definitely think . . . of the Stars is very smart, but in the other parts I mean to write I&#8217;m going to tackle some other shows that use fanservice as well (though probably still just as &#8220;smart&#8221;).  I guess the idea is to point out that it&#8217;s a technique, rather than something that automatically disqualifies a show from serious concern.</p>
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		<title>By: kadian1364</title>
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		<dc:creator>kadian1364</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That comment from way back was not exactly convey what I meant it to imply. That is, it&#039;s still one of my favorite scenes from BotS because of how it humanizes the Baron, a former villain of the classic womanizer and nutcase breed, and add new layers of bonds between the characters. I especially remember Jinto&#039;s remark about how he wouldn&#039;t want others to attend his memorial &quot;out of duty&quot; and Lafiel&#039;s reply. I wanted to say it was interesting that my sis saw the same scene and her a initial reaction was completely different (&quot;Ick, fanservice&quot;).

CotS great strength is the scene composition, as you said making every shot with purpose behind it. Cheesecake scenes of Ekuryua aren&#039;t just for the sake of pure fanservice, and CotS never relies on it, so I, and probably many others, consciously/unconsciously let it get away with more because its &quot;smarter&quot; going about it, than simpler minded series that use fanservice like a crutch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That comment from way back was not exactly convey what I meant it to imply. That is, it&#8217;s still one of my favorite scenes from BotS because of how it humanizes the Baron, a former villain of the classic womanizer and nutcase breed, and add new layers of bonds between the characters. I especially remember Jinto&#8217;s remark about how he wouldn&#8217;t want others to attend his memorial &#8220;out of duty&#8221; and Lafiel&#8217;s reply. I wanted to say it was interesting that my sis saw the same scene and her a initial reaction was completely different (&#8220;Ick, fanservice&#8221;).</p>
<p>CotS great strength is the scene composition, as you said making every shot with purpose behind it. Cheesecake scenes of Ekuryua aren&#8217;t just for the sake of pure fanservice, and CotS never relies on it, so I, and probably many others, consciously/unconsciously let it get away with more because its &#8220;smarter&#8221; going about it, than simpler minded series that use fanservice like a crutch.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostlightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a sneaky bastard, with your apologetics for the sneaky bastards that pepper C/BotS with all this service.

That&#039;s all I wanted to say, but here&#039;s some discussion fanservice that we like to indulge ourselves in. Alright, you did a good job here in establishing the utility of Eksuryua&#039;s scenes in particular. It DID feel completely arbitrary to me and I suppose it does work even as merely breakers of dialogue/monologue dumps.

I didn&#039;t think C/BotS suffered necessarily for these distractions -- if one is to relate to them as distractions, but I didn&#039;t think they were that necessary either.

But looking further, I realize that my Catholic socialization is driving the ship. The apparent objections I make are particularly towards &lt;i&gt;sexual&lt;/i&gt; fanservice: corruption of the body/spirit/mind etc. and everything Augustine said. I thought of alternatives to lingering shots of abh body parts and came up with spacecraft, lander world planetscapes, abh cityscapes.

While I stand by these alternatives, I realize that they aren&#039;t necessarily &#039;better&#039; or more &#039;tasteful&#039; than Atosurya&#039;s bosoms. Consider that my alternatives can be routinely called tech porn and scenery porn. Some people intellectually fap, and even consider this superior to actual fapping with one&#039;s genitalia, and consider themselves better for it. I know I indulge myself with this though nowhere as often (nor as pleasurable) as looking at Lafiel in her evening gown.

Recently, I got bothered by the nature of fanservice in a fall anime &lt;i&gt;Letter Bee&lt;/i&gt;, to the point that its charms didn&#039;t seem so charming anymore and I felt that the fanservice didn&#039;t compel me to keep at it and in fact took away from the experience. I was blogging the show and now I&#039;ve dropped it after 5 episodes.

What bothered me about it I realize is that I was seeing children being sexualized and the show was being clever about it. I didn&#039;t appreciate this. I suppose I don&#039;t think badly of C/BotS because it does a very good job of making the characters seem adult. Their concerns are adult and their challenges demand maturity. Their character designs are youthful, but not child-like.

I don&#039;t intend to be righteous about this at all, however strongly I feel. Ultimately, I want to acknowledge that fanservice is a matter of taste and along with appropriateness it is ultimately arbitrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a sneaky bastard, with your apologetics for the sneaky bastards that pepper C/BotS with all this service.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I wanted to say, but here&#8217;s some discussion fanservice that we like to indulge ourselves in. Alright, you did a good job here in establishing the utility of Eksuryua&#8217;s scenes in particular. It DID feel completely arbitrary to me and I suppose it does work even as merely breakers of dialogue/monologue dumps.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think C/BotS suffered necessarily for these distractions &#8212; if one is to relate to them as distractions, but I didn&#8217;t think they were that necessary either.</p>
<p>But looking further, I realize that my Catholic socialization is driving the ship. The apparent objections I make are particularly towards <i>sexual</i> fanservice: corruption of the body/spirit/mind etc. and everything Augustine said. I thought of alternatives to lingering shots of abh body parts and came up with spacecraft, lander world planetscapes, abh cityscapes.</p>
<p>While I stand by these alternatives, I realize that they aren&#8217;t necessarily &#8216;better&#8217; or more &#8216;tasteful&#8217; than Atosurya&#8217;s bosoms. Consider that my alternatives can be routinely called tech porn and scenery porn. Some people intellectually fap, and even consider this superior to actual fapping with one&#8217;s genitalia, and consider themselves better for it. I know I indulge myself with this though nowhere as often (nor as pleasurable) as looking at Lafiel in her evening gown.</p>
<p>Recently, I got bothered by the nature of fanservice in a fall anime <i>Letter Bee</i>, to the point that its charms didn&#8217;t seem so charming anymore and I felt that the fanservice didn&#8217;t compel me to keep at it and in fact took away from the experience. I was blogging the show and now I&#8217;ve dropped it after 5 episodes.</p>
<p>What bothered me about it I realize is that I was seeing children being sexualized and the show was being clever about it. I didn&#8217;t appreciate this. I suppose I don&#8217;t think badly of C/BotS because it does a very good job of making the characters seem adult. Their concerns are adult and their challenges demand maturity. Their character designs are youthful, but not child-like.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t intend to be righteous about this at all, however strongly I feel. Ultimately, I want to acknowledge that fanservice is a matter of taste and along with appropriateness it is ultimately arbitrary.</p>
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