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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-750</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, my first Shakespeare professor said New Historicism is so widespread among Elizabethan/Jacobean scholars that they no longer have to bother telling readers that&#039;s what they&#039;re doing -- it&#039;s all the other schools of thought that have to explain themselves.  It&#039;s one reason I didn&#039;t more seriously consider doing Shakespeare professionally:  I like NH well enough to read (alongside other things), but I wouldn&#039;t want to do it myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my first Shakespeare professor said New Historicism is so widespread among Elizabethan/Jacobean scholars that they no longer have to bother telling readers that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re doing &#8212; it&#8217;s all the other schools of thought that have to explain themselves.  It&#8217;s one reason I didn&#8217;t more seriously consider doing Shakespeare professionally:  I like NH well enough to read (alongside other things), but I wouldn&#8217;t want to do it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: IKnight</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IKnight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, great minds, alike &amp;c. I have a feeling the Greenblatt approach may be pretty big in the upper regions of our English department, because there are several big-noise historians who&#039;ve crossed into literary studies knocking around in this weird interdisciplinary space up there. Not much of the rarefied air from their research penetrates down to the undergraduate level, though, so I&#039;m just guessing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, great minds, alike &amp;c. I have a feeling the Greenblatt approach may be pretty big in the upper regions of our English department, because there are several big-noise historians who&#8217;ve crossed into literary studies knocking around in this weird interdisciplinary space up there. Not much of the rarefied air from their research penetrates down to the undergraduate level, though, so I&#8217;m just guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-748</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, you&#039;ve illustrated in the past (and continue to do so) that your power in the world is stronger than mine. Also, your kung-fu.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;ve illustrated in the past (and continue to do so) that your power in the world is stronger than mine. Also, your kung-fu.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-747</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will to power can be read not only as the use of power over others, but also in terms of survival, imo.

For example, I have a self-identity of being &#039;intellectual&#039; and &#039;cultured&#039; (and a fan of Nietzche, even without reading relatively few of his works) - I cannot not read and respond to this post. To not  read nor respond is a legitimate threat to my self-identity, which is a source of my &#039;power in the world&#039; (making people interested in what I have to say, etc.). So despite my lack of recent reading of Nitetzche and my minimal exposure to Slayers I feel compelled to take this post on (regardless of its merits, of which there are).

The product is, a means to write a comment despite a lack of depth in my involvement in the direct subject matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will to power can be read not only as the use of power over others, but also in terms of survival, imo.</p>
<p>For example, I have a self-identity of being &#8216;intellectual&#8217; and &#8216;cultured&#8217; (and a fan of Nietzche, even without reading relatively few of his works) &#8211; I cannot not read and respond to this post. To not  read nor respond is a legitimate threat to my self-identity, which is a source of my &#8216;power in the world&#8217; (making people interested in what I have to say, etc.). So despite my lack of recent reading of Nitetzche and my minimal exposure to Slayers I feel compelled to take this post on (regardless of its merits, of which there are).</p>
<p>The product is, a means to write a comment despite a lack of depth in my involvement in the direct subject matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-746</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Greenblatt was who I was thinking of particularly.  Not all his articles do it, but I&#039;ve read two, I think, that hardly mention Shakespeare at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Greenblatt was who I was thinking of particularly.  Not all his articles do it, but I&#8217;ve read two, I think, that hardly mention Shakespeare at all.</p>
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		<title>By: IKnight</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-745</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That sounds familiar. Some of Greenblatt&#039;s stuff seems to me to boil down to fascinating digression with some cursory acknowledgement that literature is involved, somewhere, somehow. I&#039;m probably not reading it in the right way, or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds familiar. Some of Greenblatt&#8217;s stuff seems to me to boil down to fascinating digression with some cursory acknowledgement that literature is involved, somewhere, somehow. I&#8217;m probably not reading it in the right way, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cuchlann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I could say, definitely, is that it&#039;s sometimes still useful to consider that, but I&#039;m not sure how useful literature is as a documentation of life, right.  Beowulf, until Tolkien wrote &quot;The Monsters and the Critics,&quot; was used *only* as a source for how people lived, and not as literature at all.  

Historical criticism, of course, is biggest when you deal with Shakespeare, right now.  Luckily the times were well documented enough in stuff other than fiction so people do know what they&#039;re talking about when they do it.  I&#039;ve read Shakespeare articles that only mention the play in question at the end; the rest is a survey of historical data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I could say, definitely, is that it&#8217;s sometimes still useful to consider that, but I&#8217;m not sure how useful literature is as a documentation of life, right.  Beowulf, until Tolkien wrote &#8220;The Monsters and the Critics,&#8221; was used *only* as a source for how people lived, and not as literature at all.  </p>
<p>Historical criticism, of course, is biggest when you deal with Shakespeare, right now.  Luckily the times were well documented enough in stuff other than fiction so people do know what they&#8217;re talking about when they do it.  I&#8217;ve read Shakespeare articles that only mention the play in question at the end; the rest is a survey of historical data.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cuchlann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice one.  I&#039;d say you&#039;re probably right about all of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one.  I&#8217;d say you&#8217;re probably right about all of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Turambar</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turambar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I say my school should give more funding to the history department. :D  *History major&#039;s bias*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say my school should give more funding to the history department. :D  *History major&#8217;s bias*</p>
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		<title>By: IKnight</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IKnight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;ve no problem with the idea of romance characterisation as it&#039;s used in the post. It seems to me to fit &lt;em&gt;Slayers&lt;/em&gt;, as you describe it, well, and it reflects what (little) I&#039;ve read in the romance genre.

I&#039;m never sure how far to trust literature as evidence for the reading population&#039;s actual beliefs. There are probably studies by historians, but my teachers have suggested that historians tend to be too trusting when reading literature as that kind of evidence. Then again, that could just be the traditional belief among literary academics that they&#039;re the only people who read closely enough to detect a text&#039;s &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; meaning(s). (And who&#039;s to blame them? Can&#039;t let all the funding go to the History Department.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve no problem with the idea of romance characterisation as it&#8217;s used in the post. It seems to me to fit <em>Slayers</em>, as you describe it, well, and it reflects what (little) I&#8217;ve read in the romance genre.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m never sure how far to trust literature as evidence for the reading population&#8217;s actual beliefs. There are probably studies by historians, but my teachers have suggested that historians tend to be too trusting when reading literature as that kind of evidence. Then again, that could just be the traditional belief among literary academics that they&#8217;re the only people who read closely enough to detect a text&#8217;s <em>real</em> meaning(s). (And who&#8217;s to blame them? Can&#8217;t let all the funding go to the History Department.)</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked reading that Cuchlann :)

Really nice portrait of morality as presented in Slayers. Regarding the friction between Lina&#039;s mode of thought and the medieval population&#039;s, could we conclude that it is also an illustration of how the overman does not and cannot arise in a judeo-christian mode of morality?

Consider the warrant, &quot;You are under arrest BECAUSE you are Lina Inverse.&quot;. It is basically a charge of acting beyond the Judeo-Christian imperatives, even if the charge is clearly against their utilitarian interest. If we cannot overcome those imperatives, if we cannot undertake the revaluation all values, we can never overcome man in the wide sense. An individual in these circumstances cannot do away with man so easily.

(To take aboard that last point, maybe you will have to make abstraction of SOME of Lina&#039;s traits :D )

It&#039;s an open question, I&#039;m not all that familiar with Slayers. Only watched about half a dozen episodes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked reading that Cuchlann :)</p>
<p>Really nice portrait of morality as presented in Slayers. Regarding the friction between Lina&#8217;s mode of thought and the medieval population&#8217;s, could we conclude that it is also an illustration of how the overman does not and cannot arise in a judeo-christian mode of morality?</p>
<p>Consider the warrant, &#8220;You are under arrest BECAUSE you are Lina Inverse.&#8221;. It is basically a charge of acting beyond the Judeo-Christian imperatives, even if the charge is clearly against their utilitarian interest. If we cannot overcome those imperatives, if we cannot undertake the revaluation all values, we can never overcome man in the wide sense. An individual in these circumstances cannot do away with man so easily.</p>
<p>(To take aboard that last point, maybe you will have to make abstraction of SOME of Lina&#8217;s traits :D )</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an open question, I&#8217;m not all that familiar with Slayers. Only watched about half a dozen episodes.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/21/will-to-magical-power/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cuchlann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The impression I have from what I&#039;ve seen/read (all the shows save Next [and some of that], the OVAs, and seven of the novels) is that the god/demon/whatever is basically a kind of power source, like an electrical outlet.  They&#039;re so big and powerful that their magic just infiltrates the world, like a conveniently-invisible and harmless form of radiation.  So anyone can tap into it.  I figure that&#039;s basically true because Shabranigdo makes no attempt to stop Lina from using the Dragon Slave, it simply has no effect on him.  Now, at one point Lina uses a Giga Slave, which draws on the Lord of Nightmares, and L-Sama ends up possessing Lina&#039;s body, claiming the equivalent that the power is L-Sama&#039;s identity, so when Lina pulled the power in, she pulled L-Sama in as well -- this is the end of Next).  

You&#039;re right that Sauron exerts an influence on the One Ring to try to get it back, but Gandalf&#039;s fear, specifically, isn&#039;t taking it to Sauron, it&#039;s that he&#039;ll become a new dark lord -- which Galadriel states pretty plainly in &quot;The Mirror of Galadriel&quot; and in the analogous scene of the movie.  There&#039;s a corrupting influence in the power aside from Sauron&#039;s active intervention, because it was forged of evil magic and Sauron&#039;s original will to rule over all -- which seems, in turn, to make everyone who comes in contact with it, or even lore about it (in Saruman&#039;s case) want to rule as well.  Which is why little Samwise Gamgee would have fantasies of ruling the world when he takes the ring from Frodo.  

And yeah, I, at least, am a proponent of the idea that a lot of anime/manga/whatever seems to take some driving idea and just quietly let it make the world, rather than making the idea a plot point to worry over.  I usually cite Ouran as my example; Bisco Hatori&#039;s ideas of gender, or at least those she wanted to use for Ouran, aren&#039;t talking points for the characters, they&#039;re simply the truths of the world in which they live.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The impression I have from what I&#8217;ve seen/read (all the shows save Next [and some of that], the OVAs, and seven of the novels) is that the god/demon/whatever is basically a kind of power source, like an electrical outlet.  They&#8217;re so big and powerful that their magic just infiltrates the world, like a conveniently-invisible and harmless form of radiation.  So anyone can tap into it.  I figure that&#8217;s basically true because Shabranigdo makes no attempt to stop Lina from using the Dragon Slave, it simply has no effect on him.  Now, at one point Lina uses a Giga Slave, which draws on the Lord of Nightmares, and L-Sama ends up possessing Lina&#8217;s body, claiming the equivalent that the power is L-Sama&#8217;s identity, so when Lina pulled the power in, she pulled L-Sama in as well &#8212; this is the end of Next).  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that Sauron exerts an influence on the One Ring to try to get it back, but Gandalf&#8217;s fear, specifically, isn&#8217;t taking it to Sauron, it&#8217;s that he&#8217;ll become a new dark lord &#8212; which Galadriel states pretty plainly in &#8220;The Mirror of Galadriel&#8221; and in the analogous scene of the movie.  There&#8217;s a corrupting influence in the power aside from Sauron&#8217;s active intervention, because it was forged of evil magic and Sauron&#8217;s original will to rule over all &#8212; which seems, in turn, to make everyone who comes in contact with it, or even lore about it (in Saruman&#8217;s case) want to rule as well.  Which is why little Samwise Gamgee would have fantasies of ruling the world when he takes the ring from Frodo.  </p>
<p>And yeah, I, at least, am a proponent of the idea that a lot of anime/manga/whatever seems to take some driving idea and just quietly let it make the world, rather than making the idea a plot point to worry over.  I usually cite Ouran as my example; Bisco Hatori&#8217;s ideas of gender, or at least those she wanted to use for Ouran, aren&#8217;t talking points for the characters, they&#8217;re simply the truths of the world in which they live.</p>
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