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		<title>By: I Remember Love (Hina): Man-moe revisited &#171; Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Remember Love (Hina): Man-moe revisited &#171; Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The &#8220;essence&#8221; of moe is protectiveness; a moe character is one for whom you might take a bullet. And it isn&#8217;t about sexual attraction, I&#8217;d say, even if others might say otherwise. Have you noticed how characters in ero doujins are often stripped of their canonical personalities almost entirely? I&#8217;m guessing that&#8217;s a necessity. I&#8217;ve talked about this, about how I subscribe to a gradient model of moe and gar, before. [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The &#8220;essence&#8221; of moe is protectiveness; a moe character is one for whom you might take a bullet. And it isn&#8217;t about sexual attraction, I&#8217;d say, even if others might say otherwise. Have you noticed how characters in ero doujins are often stripped of their canonical personalities almost entirely? I&#8217;m guessing that&#8217;s a necessity. I&#8217;ve talked about this, about how I subscribe to a gradient model of moe and gar, before. [...] </p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-720</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[moe... depending how you look at it, can be considered to have achieved either memetic evolution, or memetic decay. In any case it&#039;s hard to recall its original use and instead people succumb to the temptation to make it more of a catchall replacement for several other words (cute, lovable, adorable, etc. in addition to its other or original meanings).

What does this mean? Nothing in particular except signifiers have fluid meanings with their signifieds. That&#039;s how I feel anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moe&#8230; depending how you look at it, can be considered to have achieved either memetic evolution, or memetic decay. In any case it&#8217;s hard to recall its original use and instead people succumb to the temptation to make it more of a catchall replacement for several other words (cute, lovable, adorable, etc. in addition to its other or original meanings).</p>
<p>What does this mean? Nothing in particular except signifiers have fluid meanings with their signifieds. That&#8217;s how I feel anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cuchlann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how much &quot;to burn&quot; contributed at the beginning, but it&#039;s clearly part of the deal now -- enough anime dealing with otaku characters have crossed the two ideas actively (though fansubbers still typically leave &quot;moe&quot; in the traditional sense but translate the burning) to connect them now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how much &#8220;to burn&#8221; contributed at the beginning, but it&#8217;s clearly part of the deal now &#8212; enough anime dealing with otaku characters have crossed the two ideas actively (though fansubbers still typically leave &#8220;moe&#8221; in the traditional sense but translate the burning) to connect them now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You bring up a good point with the issue of budding; budding isn&#039;t something I associate with 50-year-old, father of seven (plus one via adoption, I guess) Max. Part of what I&#039;m trying to do here, though, is figure out how far moe has come from its etymological roots. I might be wrong, but I think the term has been applied to plenty of female characters at this point who can&#039;t be said to be budding, per se; it seems to have taken on life of its own and picked up connotations and usages independent of its origin.

Also, written with 燃 instead of 萌, &quot;moeru&quot; means &quot;to burn&quot; (if online Japanese dictionaries serve me well), and I think it has the connotation of being passionate about something, too. In that case, it could just refer to the emotion incited in the fan, though, given how hard it can be to pin down the origins of fandom terminology, I wonder to what degree the two moerus contributed to the birth of moe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up a good point with the issue of budding; budding isn&#8217;t something I associate with 50-year-old, father of seven (plus one via adoption, I guess) Max. Part of what I&#8217;m trying to do here, though, is figure out how far moe has come from its etymological roots. I might be wrong, but I think the term has been applied to plenty of female characters at this point who can&#8217;t be said to be budding, per se; it seems to have taken on life of its own and picked up connotations and usages independent of its origin.</p>
<p>Also, written with 燃 instead of 萌, &#8220;moeru&#8221; means &#8220;to burn&#8221; (if online Japanese dictionaries serve me well), and I think it has the connotation of being passionate about something, too. In that case, it could just refer to the emotion incited in the fan, though, given how hard it can be to pin down the origins of fandom terminology, I wonder to what degree the two moerus contributed to the birth of moe.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, my brother keeps telling me I need to watch the movie, but I haven&#039;t yet; I wanted to move on to Frontier, and after that I more or less forgot about it, but I&#039;ll get to it.

I did like the random closet scene; it was amusing in its own right, and I suppose you could say that it compounds Max&#039;s...not cuckoldry, exactly; maybe his sterility, or simply lack of companionship...by having him sleep through the whole thing and limiting his waking interactions with the bunnies to &quot;pay attention to the monitor!&quot; I&#039;d say it was the second most entertaining after-episode bit for me; it&#039;s beaten out by Veffidas as a wandering kung-fu master.

I can&#039;t say 7 is my favorite sequel, given Plus and all, but I do feel like I enjoyed it more than a lot of people would, not to mention far too much, probably.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, my brother keeps telling me I need to watch the movie, but I haven&#8217;t yet; I wanted to move on to Frontier, and after that I more or less forgot about it, but I&#8217;ll get to it.</p>
<p>I did like the random closet scene; it was amusing in its own right, and I suppose you could say that it compounds Max&#8217;s&#8230;not cuckoldry, exactly; maybe his sterility, or simply lack of companionship&#8230;by having him sleep through the whole thing and limiting his waking interactions with the bunnies to &#8220;pay attention to the monitor!&#8221; I&#8217;d say it was the second most entertaining after-episode bit for me; it&#8217;s beaten out by Veffidas as a wandering kung-fu master.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say 7 is my favorite sequel, given Plus and all, but I do feel like I enjoyed it more than a lot of people would, not to mention far too much, probably.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ghostlightning brings up a great scene, with the bridge bunnies (&quot;keep your eyes on those monitors!&quot;) trying to take advantage of him. There is definitely a Cute Factor powering that scene that does nothing to refute your moe theory. Because I don&#039;t care what anyone says, moe must be at least a little cute, and he pulls it off in (mostly) non-sexual spades.

Regarding the gender issue though... according to Wikipedia, moe translates into &quot;budding,&quot; which (watch &lt;em&gt;American Beauty&lt;/em&gt; or, uh... &lt;em&gt;ef-melodies&lt;/em&gt; and learn) sounds suspiciously female oriented to me. Like a Georgia O&#039;Keefe painting. No, I swear, it&#039;s a flower. Not a vagina. 

Max Jenius, budding? I dunno. But I like the way you think. Because moe is not just contentious and open-ended, it&#039;s misused without a hint of the thought that went into this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ghostlightning brings up a great scene, with the bridge bunnies (&#8220;keep your eyes on those monitors!&#8221;) trying to take advantage of him. There is definitely a Cute Factor powering that scene that does nothing to refute your moe theory. Because I don&#8217;t care what anyone says, moe must be at least a little cute, and he pulls it off in (mostly) non-sexual spades.</p>
<p>Regarding the gender issue though&#8230; according to Wikipedia, moe translates into &#8220;budding,&#8221; which (watch <em>American Beauty</em> or, uh&#8230; <em>ef-melodies</em> and learn) sounds suspiciously female oriented to me. Like a Georgia O&#8217;Keefe painting. No, I swear, it&#8217;s a flower. Not a vagina. </p>
<p>Max Jenius, budding? I dunno. But I like the way you think. Because moe is not just contentious and open-ended, it&#8217;s misused without a hint of the thought that went into this.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-715</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that I&#039;ve finished Macross 7, I have renewed and greater appreciation for this post. Max indeed has a pitiable position, though I can hardly reason pity for a 50something pretty boy that doesn&#039;t look a day over 30. The man has next to zero control over anything, especially his wife and daughter. That said, the Jenius family is cute as hell.

Have you seen the short movie? If not, then you simply must. Also Encore, particularly the unaired episode: &quot;Fleet of the Strongest Women.&quot; 

One of my favorite moments is when he falls asleep in a cupboard or someplace and his bunnies take turns taking advantage and try having their way with him. Now that statement sounds more exciting that it actually is, but it is a charming moment in an anime that runs almost entirely on charm.

Somehow, against my better judgment, Macross 7 has become my favorite sequel in the franchise. The beauty of shitty lovable animu.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I&#8217;ve finished Macross 7, I have renewed and greater appreciation for this post. Max indeed has a pitiable position, though I can hardly reason pity for a 50something pretty boy that doesn&#8217;t look a day over 30. The man has next to zero control over anything, especially his wife and daughter. That said, the Jenius family is cute as hell.</p>
<p>Have you seen the short movie? If not, then you simply must. Also Encore, particularly the unaired episode: &#8220;Fleet of the Strongest Women.&#8221; </p>
<p>One of my favorite moments is when he falls asleep in a cupboard or someplace and his bunnies take turns taking advantage and try having their way with him. Now that statement sounds more exciting that it actually is, but it is a charming moment in an anime that runs almost entirely on charm.</p>
<p>Somehow, against my better judgment, Macross 7 has become my favorite sequel in the franchise. The beauty of shitty lovable animu.</p>
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		<title>By: Pontifus</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pontifus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ubiquitial

The essence of gar probably isn&#039;t based &lt;i&gt;solely&lt;/i&gt; on anything, insofar as it&#039;s as open-ended as moe at this point. Pardon my oversimplification.

@Cuchlann

Madarame has gar moments, sure. He jumps around from moment to moment. I recall him being alternately gar and moe in the chapter in which he buys clothes (moe insofar as his moments of direct or indirect pondering on Kasukabe render him moe-lly vulnerable, a proposition I&#039;m not wholly prepared to defend -- fuel for a future post, maybe).

@ghostlightning

Well, Max&#039;s penis is important. I couldn&#039;t let it remain without discussion...though a penis or lack thereof doesn&#039;t factor much into my present application of moe, which is what I&#039;m getting at here.

&lt;blockquote&gt;an unwashed hobo&lt;/blockquote&gt;

-.-

&lt;blockquote&gt;cuddling old Max and drying his /m/anly tears&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That does sound pretty exciting. Between Max and Milia, Max is basically the lady anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ubiquitial</p>
<p>The essence of gar probably isn&#8217;t based <i>solely</i> on anything, insofar as it&#8217;s as open-ended as moe at this point. Pardon my oversimplification.</p>
<p>@Cuchlann</p>
<p>Madarame has gar moments, sure. He jumps around from moment to moment. I recall him being alternately gar and moe in the chapter in which he buys clothes (moe insofar as his moments of direct or indirect pondering on Kasukabe render him moe-lly vulnerable, a proposition I&#8217;m not wholly prepared to defend &#8212; fuel for a future post, maybe).</p>
<p>@ghostlightning</p>
<p>Well, Max&#8217;s penis is important. I couldn&#8217;t let it remain without discussion&#8230;though a penis or lack thereof doesn&#8217;t factor much into my present application of moe, which is what I&#8217;m getting at here.</p>
<blockquote><p>an unwashed hobo</p></blockquote>
<p>-.-</p>
<blockquote><p>cuddling old Max and drying his /m/anly tears</p></blockquote>
<p>That does sound pretty exciting. Between Max and Milia, Max is basically the lady anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-713</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an unprecedented discussion concerning Max&#039;s penis. I don&#039;t think this has ever been discussed, not even by Millya to anyone.

Isn&#039;t moe about wanting to protect the obect? Unless, it extends to providing comfort and reassurance. One can do without imagining a visage of an unwashed hobo cuddling old Max and drying his /m/anly tears, but it is an image I can no longer un-see. 

That said, I salute you Pontifus for your epic marathon viewing of the series I love, and for immediately producing such fun posts to read, symmetrical with the lighthearted fun that can be found throughout the franchise itself ^_^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an unprecedented discussion concerning Max&#8217;s penis. I don&#8217;t think this has ever been discussed, not even by Millya to anyone.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t moe about wanting to protect the obect? Unless, it extends to providing comfort and reassurance. One can do without imagining a visage of an unwashed hobo cuddling old Max and drying his /m/anly tears, but it is an image I can no longer un-see. </p>
<p>That said, I salute you Pontifus for your epic marathon viewing of the series I love, and for immediately producing such fun posts to read, symmetrical with the lighthearted fun that can be found throughout the franchise itself ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Cuchlann</title>
		<link>http://superfani.com/2009/02/06/concerning-a-certain-paragon-of-moe/#comment-712</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 05:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See, I think Madarame&#039;s gar; but then, I&#039;m awesome that way.  I guess?

I love that you flipped the gender issue here; you&#039;re right, it shouldn&#039;t have to be connected to females, or even whatever gender it is the speaker is attracted to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I think Madarame&#8217;s gar; but then, I&#8217;m awesome that way.  I guess?</p>
<p>I love that you flipped the gender issue here; you&#8217;re right, it shouldn&#8217;t have to be connected to females, or even whatever gender it is the speaker is attracted to.</p>
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		<title>By: ubiquitial</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clever, and true, how moe and GAR cannot be simultaneous

but I don&#039;t especially believe that the essence of GAR is based solely upon admiration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clever, and true, how moe and GAR cannot be simultaneous</p>
<p>but I don&#8217;t especially believe that the essence of GAR is based solely upon admiration.</p>
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