Comments on: Determining Decisive Contexts for Evil Behavior: an annotation of Dr. Chiba Atsuko’s experiment logs http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:36:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Notes on Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 and the Lack of Villainy in People and Characters in the Show « We Remember Love http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-7510 Notes on Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 and the Lack of Villainy in People and Characters in the Show « We Remember Love Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:34:03 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-7510 [...] Contingent (Situational) and Dispositional behaviors, experiments on anime characters [->] [...] [...] Contingent (Situational) and Dispositional behaviors, experiments on anime characters [->] [...]

]]> By: Finishing Fate for real « Pontifus http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-7195 Finishing Fate for real « Pontifus Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:54:13 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-7195 [...] been favorable for those involved, on the whole. If I had to choose, I suppose I’d go with the latter, but I’d rather say that “good” and “evil” are oversimplifications, [...] [...] been favorable for those involved, on the whole. If I had to choose, I suppose I’d go with the latter, but I’d rather say that “good” and “evil” are oversimplifications, [...]

]]> By: Glo the Legend http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-5420 Glo the Legend Thu, 21 May 2009 05:31:27 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-5420 Hahaha, I just wrote a paper on this actual experiment, with video games and all that stuff. This was an enjoyable read. Hahaha, I just wrote a paper on this actual experiment, with video games and all that stuff. This was an enjoyable read.

]]> By: Baka-Raptor » Blog Archive » The 2009 Baka-Raptor Awards http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-5414 Baka-Raptor » Blog Archive » The 2009 Baka-Raptor Awards Thu, 21 May 2009 00:34:28 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-5414 [...] BAM [...] [...] BAM [...]

]]> By: ghostlightning http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-1954 ghostlightning Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:04:18 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-1954 LOL at watching Macross Frontier. I actually don't suppose Tsukasa felt particularly evil when she was frying Ranka with 7-second shock bursts. I imagine a lot of us are in the midst of our own evil behavior without our conscience making itself manifest. And when it does, we consciously or unconsciously do the cognitive dissonance thing and rationalize it away. For you and me it may be a lot easier to reduce every discussion in relative terms - as the word/concept/signifiers/signified metagoop for evil is arbitrary, relational, and socially constructed. However, it is difficult not to relate evil with suffering (a consequence) - and this is how I operate in practical terms. I've heard one of my teachers say, "all animals feel pain, but only human beings suffer." This is probably something Dr. Chiba has explored and I'll definitely plumb her archives for it. LOL at watching Macross Frontier. I actually don’t suppose Tsukasa felt particularly evil when she was frying Ranka with 7-second shock bursts. I imagine a lot of us are in the midst of our own evil behavior without our conscience making itself manifest. And when it does, we consciously or unconsciously do the cognitive dissonance thing and rationalize it away.

For you and me it may be a lot easier to reduce every discussion in relative terms – as the word/concept/signifiers/signified metagoop for evil is arbitrary, relational, and socially constructed.

However, it is difficult not to relate evil with suffering (a consequence) – and this is how I operate in practical terms. I’ve heard one of my teachers say,

“all animals feel pain, but only human beings suffer.”

This is probably something Dr. Chiba has explored and I’ll definitely plumb her archives for it.

]]> By: Pontifus http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-1951 Pontifus Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:42:48 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-1951 Ah, you're making me remember the last psychology class I took, and that was a long time ago. I like how you play with the idea of good and evil being relative; more than anything, I see them as descriptors used to describe others in relation to oneself or one's group. Even ubiquitial's calling them states of mind may attribute too much substance to them. Evil behavior may be situational, but it has as much to do with the situation of the victim as the evildoer, I suspect. I wonder if those sadistic Lucky Star girls would've felt particularly evil, given the cover story. In retrospect, this paragraph is very random; make sense of it if you dare. Also, this was particularly funny given that I'm watching Macross Frontier now. Ah, you’re making me remember the last psychology class I took, and that was a long time ago. I like how you play with the idea of good and evil being relative; more than anything, I see them as descriptors used to describe others in relation to oneself or one’s group. Even ubiquitial’s calling them states of mind may attribute too much substance to them. Evil behavior may be situational, but it has as much to do with the situation of the victim as the evildoer, I suspect. I wonder if those sadistic Lucky Star girls would’ve felt particularly evil, given the cover story. In retrospect, this paragraph is very random; make sense of it if you dare.

Also, this was particularly funny given that I’m watching Macross Frontier now.

]]> By: ghostlightning http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-1934 ghostlightning Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:02:31 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-1934 I actually got this experiment from Zimbardo, while reading "The Lucifer Effect". It's quite gripping, even if the detailed narration can be cumbersome. Thanks for the link! Your quote, is this the <a href="http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/logh-reflections/" title="blank rel="nofollow">Yang Wenli one</a>? I actually got this experiment from Zimbardo, while reading “The Lucifer Effect”. It’s quite gripping, even if the detailed narration can be cumbersome. Thanks for the link!

Your quote, is this the Yang Wenli one?

]]> By: Kitsune http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-1927 Kitsune Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:52:46 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-1927 "There are few wars between good and evil - most are between one good and another good." Check out <a href="http://celestialkitsune.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/philip-zimbardo-ted-talk-how-ordinary-people-become-monsters-or-heroes/" rel="nofollow">this presentation</a>. Reading some social psychology literature may bring you closer to finding your answer. “There are few wars between good and evil – most are between one good and another good.”

Check out this presentation.

Reading some social psychology literature may bring you closer to finding your answer.

]]> By: ghostlightning http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-1883 ghostlightning Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:32:53 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-1883 Dr. Chiba gets her juice by 'servicing' clients as Paprika at night using the DC mini machine. Imagine the retail rate for that, then imagine how much she can get if she does it for the holders of the purse-strings. ~_^ Dr. Chiba gets her juice by ’servicing’ clients as Paprika at night using the DC mini machine. Imagine the retail rate for that, then imagine how much she can get if she does it for the holders of the purse-strings. ~_^

]]> By: vendredi http://superfani.com/2009/02/04/determining-decisive-contexts-for-evil-behavior-an-annotation-of-an-experiment-log-of-dr-chiba-atsuko/comment-page-1/#comment-1882 vendredi Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:17:04 +0000 http://superfani.com/?p=3458#comment-1882 Too funny, all the more so because I once took a psych course where all the prof did was put on tapes of Zimbardo. On another note, I'm curious as to where Dr. Atsuko gets her grant money, given the ah, ethical implications of these experiments. =P Too funny, all the more so because I once took a psych course where all the prof did was put on tapes of Zimbardo.

On another note, I’m curious as to where Dr. Atsuko gets her grant money, given the ah, ethical implications of these experiments. =P

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