Fishy

By Cuchlann on 28 December 2008 | Anime, Internet | 10 Comments

I’ve been seeing some meta-narrative stuff concerning blogging, anime, blah blah blah.  As my father is currently watching a basketball game on our only tv — mine is in Memphis — I am stuck in my room, so here I am, doing some of this meta-criticism as well.  Don’t expect anything amazing.  My only real contribution, when I get around to it, is in bringing Stanley Fish to the party.

First, I had a response to lelangir’s thoughts on the otaku-rhombus’s blogging teams.  He speculated on grouping similar-minded people together and bringing in like-minded readers, so on.  I happened to think a little while ago that this phenomenon isn’t exactly strange.  It’s magazines.  When a reader picks up a magazine, certain things are going to be set in — if we’re talking short fiction magazines (which is what I’m most familiar with), there’s an editor who decides what does and does not go in — and besides looking at “quality,” editors have a vision for what sort of content the magazine should have, what focus it should use.  One of my professors, who used to edit for a few different magazines, always told us that if an editor thinks the piece you’ve submitted isn’t right for them, that’s what they mean, they’re not trying to veil comments about your piece sucking.  My point is that, as a reading people, we collate things into groups that make sense to us.  It’s not strange that group blogs do the same thing.  This doesn’t mean everyone involved is exactly the same — any given issue of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science-Fiction will have humor, near-horror, drama, (obviously) fantasy and sci-fi, so on, so forth.  There’s variety, just a basic guiding direction in the background.  I’ve stopped sending my parodies of epic fantasies to them, for example.  Of course, since Blood, Blade, and Thruster closed, I’ve stopped sending those out altogether.  Hm.

Anyway.  That’s my thought on the process lelangir describes.  The internet makes getting things easier, but I don’t really think it will change content all that much, save where content is at least partially defined by delivery method (please note that provides for things like Zero Punctuation, where the delivery method defines the content quite sharply).  

With that out of the way, let’s get to Stanley Fish.  If you’re not aware, Fish is a big name in reader-response criticism, a school of criticism that, according to my copy of The Norton Anthology of Theory and Criticism, Fish said, is concerned with the “analysis of the developing responses of the reader in relation to the words as they succeed one another in time” (1373).  Now, I have one problem with the reader-response critics:  they only regard the responses of readers who have the “correct” backgrounds to read the text.  I was told by a professor that Fish finally broke down and admitted, once, that yes, you had to be basically like the reader-response critics to read “correctly.”  (That is, one does not have to buy into their theory, but have the same background, inclinations, and ways of thinking.)  

Anyway.  Fish also wrote about a bunch of odd stuff, and I found, through JSTOR, an article he wrote for The Yale Law Journal titled “Dennis Martinez and the Uses of Theory.”  I found this article when I thought the reader-response critics would be useful to that Gothic in Video Games paper I keep mentioning.  Fish describes this scene where a sports reporter spotted Martinez, a pitcher, after a game and asked him what the coach said to him on the mound at this one critical juncture in the game.  Martinez responded [and I'm paraphrasing here] by claiming he said, “throw strikes.”  The reporter was looking for critical advice, but, as Fish argues, at that moment critical thought wasn’t required, and would have gummed up the works.  He mentions another story concerning a similar situation where engineers were trying to improve a prototype of a synthetic brush, and could only, after the fact, describe cricitally the process they had gone through to do so.  

Fish goes on to apply this to law practice, but I think it’s useful (not necessarily analogous, but useful) in dealing with writing — and keep in mind, no matter what they say on Fox News, that blogging is writing.  Well, most of it.  Fish, in capitulating his anecdotes with his proposed topic, says

First, what they [the examples] together suggest is that performing an activity — engaging in a practice — is one thing and discoursing on that practice another.  Second, the practice of discoursing on practice does not stand in a relationship of superiority or governance to the practice that is its object.  (1777-8)

There are two good things and one caveat that we must discover to do anything with this.  First, the second part of his statement is absolutely true — criticism is not superior to the original act it uses as a springboard (that statement, that criticism uses the act as a springboard, is of course contentious, not universally believed, and counter to what Fish is claiming here).  There is a perhaps mythic story of a scholar presenting on some topic, let us say a theme present in a novel.  In the audience is the novel’s author, and he or she stands during the question and answer period, then says he or she never put any of that in the book, it was never in his or her mind.  The scholar responded that he or she understood the book better than the author, that it was the scholar’s job to do so, and the author had no real business in the discussion.  Now, as true as this is in many senses — if you haven’t figured out by now, I usually hate the Word of God — the sense of superiority is misplaced.  If the author shows up, he or she has just as much right to discourse about the book as anyone else.  A local Memphis author came to visit one of my classes, and revealed that he wrote his book with the sense that the characters were people, and as such he didn’t quite wrap up every plot line, because he didn’t know what had happened to some of them; at a reading a woman asked why one character had killed another, and he was stunned to find out that was precisely what had happened, but he hadn’t known it until then.  So authors can discourse, but I don’t believe they necessarily have any extra clout in the conversation — at least, not when the conversation concerns interpretation.  

Now for the first part of Fish’s statement.  It seems obvious — talking about something is not, in fact, doing it.  And the act of criticism takes a different skillset than the act of creating — whether it’s an anime or a novel we’re talking about here.  However, Fish’s apparent attitude that the act of criticism is something else entirely is false for our discussion here.  It’s prevalent to view criticism in this way, and this attitude is basically what I’m here to try to counter.  Because while talking about baseball isn’t at all like playing baseball — imagine how much more fun those terrible ESPN analysis shows would be if the critics had to throw their critiques — writing criticism about writing is still writing.  And narrative subjects are, ultimately, writing; at least, read them as the same if I switch the words around.  

Simply, someone had to write that episode of Kannagi you want to write a blog post about, and your act of blogging it is similar to the originating act of creation behind the episode.  The difference is in method and execution rather than kind.  When we’re dealing with prose writing, of course, there is almost no difference at all.  There is, supposedly, an originating “spark” of inspiration that drives creative work that is, also supposedly, not present in critical work.  However, as Harold Bloom recognizes, even though he claims it’s not so good, all creative work is colored by what he calls “the anxiety of influence.”  Michael Chabon is more to my liking — in an essay in Maps & Legends he directly responds to Bloom, claiming he is comforted by the reach of influence, that all writers are, essentially, responding to other writing.  Clarifying that makes it sound a lot like criticism, in that criticism is accepted to be writing responding to other writing.  

What I think the real trick here is — we ought to extrapolate and really get to some awesome conclusions.  If writing is like criticism, then criticism is like writing.  Hopefully I’ve at least provided enough of a groundwork for you to accept that long enough to drive forward to the end here.  

So, the two arts here (criticism and writing) have similar methods, similar inspirations, and similar forms.  Should it not be true, then, that they would have similar goals?  I’ll refer to Chabon again, here, as he puts this very succinctly.  In the first essay of Maps & Legends, after claiming that he reads and writes for no other reason, ever, than entertainment, he says, “I would like to propose expanding our definition of entertainment to encompass everything pleasurable that arises from the encounter of an attentive mind with a page of literature” (14).  Glorious.  I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating (like a Freudian compulsion):  criticism is entertainment.  It stimulates the brain.  The audience of criticism enjoys thinking over things in the way criticism does, and makes the audience do.  As Fish said, it’s not better, but it’s not worse either.  It’s fun.  Not all kinds of fun are for all kinds of people.  Don’t like criticism?  Don’t read it.  Don’t like shounen?  Don’t watch it.  Simple.  

The point of criticism, its goal, is simple:  to entertain a group of people who are entertained by criticism.  That is, it has the same goal as every other kind of art.

10 Responses to “Fishy”

  1. I learned a fuckton. Now I’m excited about the direction I’ve been taking, the conceptual ambition I’ve been going for.

    I’m of the opinion that writing responds to writing, hence the conventions of allusion and allegory. It’s unlikely that writers are ever eyewitnesses to the subjects they write about, so they write in response to some kind of document one way or another.

  2. lelangir says:

    Nice post. [isn't discourse in itself a practice?]

    ts;dr version: people are stupid, people are smart, The End.

    tl;dr version:

    “Entertainment” takes two distinct routes in the sphere.

    There is one faction that stringently insists that entertainment is not “deep”. This is the political/industry route: anime = entertainment, and entertainment is based upon the industry, which caters to the majority (to get $$$). The majority is stupid. Stupid does not = smart, therefore, entertainment = anime = dumb. Deep anime is incidental and rare. [this one's good...and pessimistic...but realistic because it's political]

    The other route, “I would like to propose expanding our definition of entertainment to encompass everything pleasurable that arises from the encounter of an attentive mind with a page of literature.” – in relation, a more “bohemian” (is that a correct word choice?) view expands entertainment to subvert and upset the “dominant” discourse on entertainment. Inasmuch as I enjoy this route, it’s basically a plea saying “take me srsly!!!111!!111!!~” (because the dead tree is unacceptable insofar as it (1) is not IKnight, (2) is not “literature”, (3) is not British [literature], (4) has real citations, (5) is somehow related to lelangir and/or his constitutive blog[ger friend]{s})

    So, the discourse on entertainment is really predicated upon the medium – the medium justifies. It’s where the unholy commandment srs bsns comes from – it even produces dialects [digital vernaculars?] whose memetic value underscores such tropes. I’m always complaining about how stupid people are, and that’s because we’re coerced to believe that the internet is intrinsically stoopid enough to which we stoop…

    that was a hate rant.

  3. Cuchlann says:

    @ghostlightning Well, I’m certainly glad whenever anyone learns anything and I’m, you know, sort of around nearby when it happens. Which is almost never in the classes I’m actually paid to teach, as they don’t care. So, yes, refreshing. I would also go so far as to say you needn’t refer to allegory and allusion — that all writing is a response to some other form of writing. Annie Dillard once claimed, in The Writing Life, that no writer writes from life, he or she writes from reading, from seeing what’s been done and what can still be done. That places more value on innovation than I would like, but she is a “literary” writer, where innovation is the only thing they will have anything to do with anymore.

    @lelangir I think Fish is actually directly saying discourse is a practice — in the context of saying it’s a different practice from the act discoursed about. In the simple version, I agree, but if pressed I might have to say I believe discourse is a realm of practices; the specific practice within discourse would be the talking, or writing, or filming that’s taking part. I’m not sure there’s any noticeable difference, though I’m sure it reveals deep philosophical underpinnings that lie beneath my theoretical practice. :D

    Chabon actually talks about the perceptions about entertainment. He says we’ve attached a veneer of disrepute to entertainment, that it’s nothing inherent in the thing itself, but we’ve plugged it on there. As a result, he goes on to claim, we can’t accept anything other than the predictable, as anything else, by nature of not being predictable crap, isn’t entertaining, and that by expanding our definition we might see more “literary” stuff in mainstream entertainment, because we would be admitting that stuff can be entertaining. It’s an interesting essay, you might want to check it out. Any decent library should have a copy of Maps & Legends, if you don’t want to buy it. Of course, I might be able to scan it into a pdf, as it’s a hardcover and would likely survive the scanning process.

  4. @ cuchlann

    Should there be a value judgment if I generate my discovery of the ‘writing begets writing’ idea for myself participating here at Superfanicom, and not with Anne Dillard?

  5. Cuchlann says:

    @ghostlightning You’ll have to forgive me, I’m afraid. Of course that’s all right — I habitually refer to sources if they’re pertinent, sometimes when they’re not. English major habit.

  6. OGT says:

    @Cuchlann: So is Chabon saying that everything can be entertainment (and everything can not be entertainment), we just say it’s James Patterson novels and not, say, Michael Chabon novels because the collective we decided that James Patterson was “entertainment” and disreputable and Michael Chabon was not “entertainment” because he’s obviously so much smarter?

    Or maybe I should track down that copy of Maps & Legends. I find it fairly humorous that I had trouble finding anything interesting about The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay over 500 pages, but I’ve liked his essays immensely; or, well, the one I read before some McSweeney’s anthology on genre and its increasing uselessness.

    I do think you (and he) are right in that everything is entertainment, more or less: I think it’s kind of what I was naively trying to get at by asserting tongue-in-cheek a year or so ago that everything is “pandering” towards its audience, except in reverse. Something needn’t be bad to be entertaining, it simply has to do something which you find entertaining to be such. If your entertainment is derived from contemplating the potential ramifications and meanings of Oshii’s Sky Crawlers and not from bouncing assets in ToLoveRu,

  7. OGT says:

    that was a comma and not a period!

    …then so be it.

  8. Cuchlann says:

    @OGT: What’s interesting, to me, about what you’re saying about Chabon’s work is that Cavalier and Clay happened before he had this realization, which he chronicles in a few of the essays in Maps & Legends. That is, he wrote C&C when he still believe the bullshit he learned in his creative writing programs, that serious literature and genre literature are completely separate. Basically, he got into writing because of mysteries and fantasies, but starting writing realism because he was told he had to. He finally figured different, and I’m inclined to think what you’re liking of his, he wrote after that realization. I could be wrong, of course, not knowing the exact timeline.

    Of course, at this point I like him solely for his essays. I *own* a copy of C&C that I picked up cheap at a used bookstore, and mean to read it eventually. You should see the huge stack of unread books I unpacked yesterday. I had to stack them, as I don’t have enough space to line them up properly. Sigh.

    • OGT says:

      Yeah, after that, I think I might go pick up some of his other things. I was more or less “forced” to read K&C as the result of an ill-fated ‘book exchange” program where I got paired with the most ridiculously pompous guy ever. I had my revenge, though: I gave him The Time-Traveler’s Wife, which I think he liked, whereas I skimmed 500 pages of K&C and was like “why am I reading this?” and got rid of it.

      I should probably go try some of his more recent stuff, although I know he praised Cromac McCarthy’s The Road, and I opened that and saw no quotation marks and sighed and put it back on the shelf, although it did sound interesting. But who knows.

  9. Where does intentional fallacy come into this picture?

    Intending something to be entertaining is one thing. The other thing is finding the subject entertaining.

    @ Cuchlann

    Nothing to forgive! I was serious with that question, which I find relevant to our discussion here. I’m referring to my imagined binary between Books/Blogs, as well as Academic Lecture Halls/blog post comments sections, etc. I made the discovery, as it were, here – not through Ann Dillard (who I assume is reading material in academics). I’m not saying that this discussion right now will suffice as reference for students writing papers, but since I feel that the learning here is valid and legitimate, why shouldn’t it be?

    Is it because, this is merely ‘entertainment’?

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